Succubus Club Chat Transcript

for May 26, 2004

Session Start ( Wed May 26 17:59:57 2004
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DeathIsYourArtHiya Harris
MattHHiya DIYA
DeathIsYourArtSo what is new with you?
MattHWell - major changes to the website...added a weblog.
MattHStill going through Angel withdrawl
DeathIsYourArtDo you have the feeling that this is going to be one really long summer?
MattHIs it summer - doesn't really feel like it to me?
MattHRegarding shows...not really. I generally just put them out of mind until the showstopper started recording them again.
DeathIsYourArtI have to go through all the episodes for the year again, to make sure I have some good and fair options for the golden fangs and it is actually hard to watch them now... I need definate plans... Serenity is too far away , and the Buffy cartoon is Highschool years, therefore , no Spike
MattHActually, one of the things I am really looking forward to is Prisoner of Azakaban on the fourth.
MattHI doubt James Marsters wll be idle for long.
DeathIsYourArtOh yes...Harry Potter is a definate
MattHThe cartoon could be in S2...ergo Spike
DeathIsYourArtI know I know... James will find work no problem. I just want more from the Buffy-verse. i want to know whether or not Illyria made it and where she will go. And I want Joss to explain what was with all the crystals this year and who gave Angel the glamor
DeathIsYourArtWesley's passing is a hard pill to swallow... I want more Wesley story
MattHYeah...and since when is Wesley a wizard...
DeathIsYourArtHe is a watcher
MattHNot the same....
DeathIsYourArtTherefore, he knows some magic...and he is the head of the mystical division... he picked up a few things
MattHHead of the mystical division I buy...
DeathIsYourArtI also want to know if Vail talked like Pavayne on purpose. They both bend reality to their own desire, so I'm assuming a parallel
MattHWas it the same actor?
DeathIsYourArtno no,
MattHMaybe they were buds.
DeathIsYourArtVail is a shirty compared to the guy who played Pavayne
DeathIsYourArtBut they both refered to all minor magic as Palor tricks and the way they would talk is very similar
DeathIsYourArtshorty not shirty
MattHThat just means they are pretentious
DeathIsYourArtmaybe....I like my parallels though
DeathIsYourArtSo what other changes will you be maing to your website?
MattHHeh....when I first glance at it, it looked like you wrote "maiming".
DeathIsYourArtWell you could do that too
MattHUpgrading the software for one thing. Wordpress 1.2 came out the day after I installed everything.
MattHI plan on doing fanfic reviews among other things.
MattHPlus the usual blog b.s.
DeathIsYourArtSpeaking of reviews... I am shocked at some of the ones I have been reading. Some people must have expected a lot going into the finale. Or they just have a really warped view of what Joss apparently "owes" them. I feel very satisfied with how this phase ended. I have a few questions and some loose threads but considering the rush, I think they did well
MattHI liked the ending. I haven't really read any reviews.
DeathIsYourArtI do want more from the verse because the thought of going a long time without is putting me in DT's but overall I was happy
MattHIt did feel rushed and the budget cuts showed.
DeathIsYourArtOnly in the CG
MattHTrue...I thought the army at the end didn't look like much of an army.
DeathIsYourArtI think I should write Joss. I know the Ducks are probably writing him a lot of hate mail, and he deserves to know that there were those of us that were impressed. The complainers always seem to scream the loudest
MattHThe Ducks?
DeathIsYourArtSevere B/A shippers. They were great during the SavingAngel campaign, however there are a few of them that feel they are entitled to a certain ending and that Joss should be listening to them on how to run his show. I do wonder if some of them are watching the same show as the rest of us. What is sad is that a few have actually started in-fighting over the ending
DeathIsYourArtThere are a couple that were really pissed and are making their views known big time
MattHWell, considering SMG couldn't be on the show...any sort of B/A (or Spuffy for that matter) would have been very difficult.
DeathIsYourArtMaybe it is me, but I like the idea of a character standing strong on his own without the aide of a girlfriend or boyfriend is a good message. Besides, ANgel got to see the love of his un-life: his son
MattHConnor was great in this ep.
DeathIsYourArtI know! Considering that Vincent took a lot of heat for the Connor character, I am so glad they wrote him so good this year.
MattHLindsay too...personally I wish Gunn had died and Lindsay lived....but that may have been just me.
MattHShows that a lot of what goes on in shows isn't the acting...its the writing.
MattHIllyria, for example, I find a lot more interesting than Fred.
DeathIsYourArtGunn will not last 10 minutes, unfortunately... And yes I was very sad to see Lindsey go. Now he can't show up in any future projects and that just hurts.... Joss just wanted to kill everyone he could
DeathIsYourArtYes Illyria was a lot better. I was getting annoyed with Freds constant exposition this year
MattHThen he should have explicitly killed Gunn, Eve and Harmony.
DeathIsYourArtya but we wouldn't have cared!
DeathIsYourArtI felt so bad for lose a guy that hot
MattHTrue...but some people would have...and it does up the body count.
DeathIsYourArtI want Xander or Spike to kill Harmony... in a painful way.
MattHI like Eve a lot less as an appendage of Lindsay than as a flunky of the SP.
MattHYeah...have Spike do it in passing...
DeathIsYourArttotally uncaring...yes
DeathIsYourArtShe would be talking too much and he just wants her to shut up or something
MattHSort of like ..heh...loose end to tie up...kill job
DeathIsYourArtActually now I am picturing a fight between Buffy and Spike, or even Faith and Spike, and Harmony trying to but in. Then the slayer (whichever) staking her and saying "I thought she would never shut up"
MattHI don't think it had to be like that even...just have Spike pass her on the street and stake her in passing.
DeathIsYourArtI would actualyl not like to see Spikes continued disregard for Harmony. I know he doesn't think much of her but still... it doesn't fit him anymore
MattHNot worth getting worked up over.
DeathIsYourArtI should create a challenge and get a bunch of different fanfic writers to join. "the most creative way to kill Harmony contest"
MattHHeh...I just thought of an idea...maybe she will replace Angel as the CEO of the LA branch....would be kind of funny.
DeathIsYourArtya but the SP would have to care about her and they don't
MattHWell...she does have a letter of recommendation from the former CEO
DeathIsYourArtha ha ha true
DeathIsYourArtCan you imagine that letter though? "great at answering the phones, fetching a cup of blood and stabbing her boss in the back"
MattHMaybe Hamilton had put in a good word for her before he got bit.
MattHThat last part would make her a shoe-in.
DeathIsYourArtI hope they get Adam Baldwin to do commentary for the DVD
MattHMight be nice... overall Hamilton didn't have the mystery Eve had ... that Angel is over and with only one more SC left, is this going to be the end of the chat room? I notice it is only you and I tonight.
DeathIsYourArtya I noticed that too... Impaler has not been around for a while
DeathIsYourArtAnd LornesLadyLove has RL issues at the moment
MattHHe quit showing up after the last SC aired.
MattHYeah...pity...I would have liked to hear her reaction to Lorne's killing of Lindsey.
DeathIsYourArtIt is kinda funny considering everyone saying that they hope it didn't shut down etc... I know people have RL too (not me..shhh) but it would be nice if one of those people would show.
DeathIsYourArtLLL can be found on ICQ, though i wouldn't ask her about Lorne just now nice if Candy were to put in an appearance, now that the SC isn't on the air.
DeathIsYourArtWell I got an e-mail from her today. She is busy catching up on things with her being out of town and all
DeathIsYourArtIf things keep up this way we might want to consider just moving this to an ICQ chat between a few of us.
DeathIsYourArtWe could just ICQ each other offline to set up times and such
DeathIsYourArtIt is something to think about
MattHMore people probably know how to get on ICQ than IRC.
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MattHHiya CM
Elaisalmost forgot
DeathIsYourArtThe only thing I will need to do is update my ICQ. I have lite right now and it will not allow me to set an individual on invisible. And I have a bit of a problem with one person on my list
DeathIsYourArtElias HI
MattHI use Trillian...I haven't actually used the ICQ client in so long, I don't know what it does anymore.
MattHSo CM - how are you adapting to Angel withdrawl?
Elaisdoing okay
DeathIsYourArtIt probably will not hit most people until October. And the ending was satisfying, so... perhaps it will only be a dull ache for some
DeathIsYourArtLike you know something is missing but you can't actually say what
DeathIsYourArtAlthough, looking at the new fall lineups for every station , I think the thing missing in my house will be the TV all together
MattHYeah...if Enterprise isn't renewed I'll be down to about 3 hrs a week.
Elaislets see...I think the only shows I'm really looking forward to in the fall is Smallville
Elaishowever, good stuff will be coming up this summer
ElaisDead Zone is back and I think there will be new Stargate and Stargate:Atlantis this summer
MattHSmallville, Tru Calling, Enterprise and Stargate for me.
ElaisAlias doesn't start until January
MattHDead Zone?
Elaistv show on USA network
Elaisstarring Anthony Michael Hall
Elaisbased on the Stephen King book/movie
MattHChecking it out on TV Tome....
DeathIsYourArtEnterprise has been renewed (get this: UPN said it was due to the enormous fan response to the idea of its cancellation)
MattHThe book was good.
MattHFan response? Really?
ElaisDead Zone was on early last year, but ran into legal problems
Elaisbut they are sticking Enterprise on Friday nights
MattHI am a die-hard original series Trekker, and I am lukewarm on Enterprise. it will be cancelled.
DeathIsYourArtthey promised them at least half a season but told them to start wrapping things up
Elaishaven't watched a single ep of Enterprise
Elaisstopped watching during the Voyager run
DeathIsYourArtI watch if there is nothing else on
MattHThis last season has been ok..
MattHIt is better than Voyager
ElaisI've been watching some of the old DS9 eps though
DeathIsYourArtAnd I can't pick a movie
MattHAlthough that is saying little.
DeathIsYourArtI'll have West Wing and CSI next fall...and I am still trying to decide whether or nto they have both jumped the shark
Elaiswith West Wing they might have voted the shark
ElaisCSI would kill the shark and do an autopsy
MattHI'm burnt out on crime shows
DeathIsYourArtWho wouldn't be at this point?
DeathIsYourArtNBC has turned down Transylvannia. So Fury is out of a job again
MattHI hadn't even heard of that show.
Elaisnever even knew he had one
ElaisI thought Fury said he was taking time off
DeathIsYourArtThey were going to take the sets from Van Helsing and create a show in the same world, btu with different characters. They brought in David Fury when the original producer started having weird ideas for where to take it
ElaisLost In Space is kaput
DeathIsYourArtNow they say the show will cost too much
Elaisoh, right....
Elaisalways the bottom dollar with these guys
DeathIsYourArtBut at least we will be getting Wonderfalls on DVD
MattHHeh...I *still* haven't watched the two eps I dled
DeathIsYourArtwhich two? The ones labeled 6 & 7 which are actually 7&8
Elaisdoesn't take long for unaired eps to circulate doesn't it?
DeathIsYourArtThey were screeners
DeathIsYourArtsent out for censors and tv guide etc
Elaismedia press kit, I though
DeathIsYourArtcould be that too
DeathIsYourArtI am Jaye in the last one. I want to deny it but I can't
MattHWell...I did the trailer thing a couple of times while growing up...but I can't really empathize too much with her.
DeathIsYourArtWell, not the trailer thing but the relationship phobia thing in the last one (you will see what I mean when you watch it) that is me. Mixed messages and defensive-ness.
DeathIsYourArtAnd though I have enjoyed (with varying degrees) the episodes that I have seen. I still say that it couldnt' have gone far beyond a first season.
ElaisI saw the aired eps and have read some of the scripts to the unaired stuff
MattHIt suffers from the same problem as Tru Calling...its vision of the supernatural is too narrow.
DeathIsYourArtI just meant the last one on the next (number 7 /8) I haven't read the other scripts yet
DeathIsYourArtI just don't think they had very many places to take Jaye.
Elais20th century fox is doing an auction again
Elaislike they did with buffy
Elaisthey are auctioning off stuff from the angel sets
DeathIsYourArtThey already spelled out who the love interest was, and to make her a non-slacker would defeat the purpose of her character. So they would have to leave her where she is, with no where to go
DeathIsYourArtWhat are they auctioning off now?
MattHI just keep comparing shows like that to Buffy....and they all fall short....
Elaisclothes mostly
Elaisit's on ebay
DeathIsYourArtI know. I was complaining about plot arc's the other day to my dad. He will nto let me watch anythign with him anymore. I find all the shows too predictable and shallow
Elaisone of Fred's labcoats is going for $100 right now
DeathIsYourArtDo you have a link to the auction?
MattHHmmm...that is not too high for a lab coat, IIRC...although it has been over a decade since I last wore one.
Elaisthats for the lab coat
DeathIsYourArtmy god are they ever making serious money on some of these things
MattHHmmm...I just checked google. That is about $80 more than one would pay for a regular lab coat.
DeathIsYourArtAnd really none of it is worth it. You wouldn't even know that they were props if it were not for a tag fromt he fox wardrobe department
MattHYeah....just buy the $20 coat and lie about it.
Elaisthe items do come with a certificate of authenticity
MattHHmmm....get one of the cheap items,a little photoshop....a voila....tons of Angel merchandise.
DeathIsYourArtBut why would you want a shirt someone wore once. I could understand an actual prop, but not a shirt
DeathIsYourArtI want the cup of perpetual torment
MattHI thought of the ray gun they used on Illyria
MattHThe cup would be excellent
Elaisthat cup might fetch a pretty high price
Elaisa gal paid over $7,000 for that amulet
DeathIsYourArtAnd the book Serc was reading that had the false prophecy in it. I am big on books
MattHYeah...boggles the mind.
DeathIsYourArtYa the amulet money went to charity which was nice
DeathIsYourArtI would want the amulet
DeathIsYourArtI wonder who gets the purple puppet suit? I know Fox took puppet Angel
DeathIsYourArtThe purple puppet suit is at ME
MattHPuppet Angel would be interesting.
DeathIsYourArtIt would also be nice to get the sword from Angels wall that Cordy used in your Welcome
ElaisSpike/JM has some very wealthy fans
DeathIsYourArtYes I noticed that too
MattHSwords are always nice...axes and knives too. For that matter, I wouldn't mind a crossbow.
DeathIsYourArtAnd some poor ones like me
* MattH channels his inner D&D player.
DeathIsYourArtya weapons are always a great buy
MattHJust checked my e-mail... Television Without Pity has just done their last Angel recap...
DeathIsYourArtpositive or negative. I have had my fill of negative for one week
MattHHaven't read it yet... they are always snarky, even to shows they like.
Elaisthe recap is done by Strega
Elaisshe has hated Angel for a long time now
Elaisbut the recap is pretty mild for her
Elaisshe has a particular hatred of Wesley
MattHYah...Omar G is much kinder to Smallville.
ElaisI do think that the recappers get burned out on the shows they do
MattHWouldn't surprise me...especially since they may not have been fans to begin with.
MattHWas just reading the review...Strega did bring up a point. When Angel is talking to Lindsey in the last episode, do you think that was when he decided to have Lindsey killed.
DeathIsYourArtmaybe before that... And why did he know that Harmony would turn? The "you don't havea soul" thing wasn't really enough for me but I went with it
MattHStrega opines that Angel's body language shows that he was paying close attention to why Lindsey was joining the fight... thinking maybe he didn't have to die. I'll have to rewatch it to decide myself.
ElaisHarmony betrayed the gang before
ElaisI think he knew Harmony would turn on them when Hamilton arrived
Elaisremeber way back in Disharmony?
MattHHe knew Harmony would turn on him after Disharmony.
DeathIsYourArtya know, I remember disharmony. However it just didn't seem a guarantee to me. Up until this epy, she was far too afraid of Hamilton
DeathIsYourArtHarris, we really should hold that fan fic contest for the best Harmony kill
MattHJust reading Strega's makes me thing that Spike had the funniest lines/scenes in the finale.
MattHI generally don't read Harmony fics....
DeathIsYourArtokay fine...ME
DeathIsYourArtI just want a good ugly death for her
MattHI settle for any death, provided it is final and dusty.
DeathIsYourArtI want one that people stop and think "OUCH"
DeathIsYourArtAnd Spike's demand that he not have to wear any jewelry was a really funny touch
MattHThe way Spike's hand shot up when Angel said someone was going to betray him
MattHAnd "Can I at least deny you 3 times?"
DeathIsYourArtMore bible quotes
MattHYeah...well this is supposed to be the Apocalypse.
DeathIsYourArttrue, but they have pushed the theme before. The Judas comment in Origin etc...
MattHYeah...the Buffyverse had a lot of biblical themes.
MattHDamn...used the past tense there....
DeathIsYourArtIt is okay...
DeathIsYourArtYou are working through the acceptance phase
DeathIsYourArtYou will get to throw all your hard work away once Joss gets off his butt and gives us more
MattHJust reminded me of earlier S3 Buffy...Willow brings up the "past-tense" rule.
DeathIsYourArtYou are just dealing. It is all good. It will save you pain in the long run
DeathIsYourArtMaybe if we shower Joss with homemade gifts???
MattHCouldn't hurt....
MattHWhat about threats?
Elaisthere is hope for the Buffy animated show
DeathIsYourArtOkay! What should we make him?
DeathIsYourArtWe could do a good fan bad fan routine
DeathIsYourArtGood fan gives gifts, bad fan puts more of a threat on at the end
DeathIsYourArtI am looking forward to the animated show. However it will be light on deth most likely and big on family friendly humor
MattHYeah...but I am a little leary. One of the reason I wanted to see Angel continue is to see what happens *next*. Buffy The Animated Series would be set in the past.
MattHInstead of "good fan, bad fan" how about "crazy, pychotic fanatic fan"? ;-)
MattHI get to be "crazy, pychotic fanatic fan"
DeathIsYourArtokay! And remember "A restraining order is just another way for joss to tell you he loves you"
Elaisgotta run guys
DeathIsYourArtbye bye Elias
MattHSeeya CM.
Elaischat with you guys later
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DeathIsYourArtThe one thing I don't want is the battled spelled out for me. I would rather see one of the survivors a while after the fight and perhaps in passing mention - to whomever asks- who made it through.
DeathIsYourArtLike how they had Andrew mention where the scubbies are
MattHThat'd be good. Maybe mention how Spike killed the dragon.
DeathIsYourArtI think they purposely will give that to Angel. He said he wanted it, and it is the whole old school hero shout out
DeathIsYourArtSpike can take out that big troll like demon in the back
DeathIsYourArtWhy do you want the dragon to be taken out by Spike?
MattH'Cause Angel said he wanted it would be funny if Spike got to kill it.
DeathIsYourArtMaybe Illyria could make it into a pet
DeathIsYourArtThat would be a show right there
DeathIsYourArtIllyria and her Dragon
MattHHmmm....after "The Gift" I had the funny thought that the dragon there my become Dawn's pet.
DeathIsYourArtWell since MT doesn't want to be Dawn ever again, that isn't likely. However, it would have been interesting
DeathIsYourArtWhat would you feed it?
MattHWell, a demon biker gang came to town... that would have done for starters.
MattHDon't blame MT....they way they kept dropping potential storylines for Dawn.
MattHShe might feel different if Dawn was the lead.
DeathIsYourArtI just had an image of Anya's legs sticking out of the Dragons mouth and Dawn telling it to drop her
DeathIsYourArtThe trio would have worshipped Dawn if she had a pet dragon
DeathIsYourArtThe problem with Dawn was that a lot of people still saw her as Buffy's little sister only. TO give her grown up storylines would have been icky to some. Plus, they ran out of time and space
MattHThe potentials sucked away a lot of Dawn's potential storylines....
MattHPart of growing up is getting grown-up storylines...people would have adapted.
DeathIsYourArtThey were necessary though. And if they gave Dawn more time, the they would have had to sacrifice the "slayer" story, which would mean the Buffy story. And she is suppose to be the focus
DeathIsYourArtoh well...shoulda woulda coulda... what is done is done
DeathIsYourArtNeed more Whedon-verse
MattHPlease...they could easily have dumped Anya ... she should have left after her final confrontation with D'Hoffryn.
MattHCan't deny -- more Joss the Buffyverse if possible.
DeathIsYourArtI want more Andrew. And they could definately make a Connor show now
MattHA Connor show would be good....I definitely feel that "The Destroyer" never did get to do enough destroyin'
DeathIsYourArtIt is amazing how views of Connor have changed. last year ( though I was actually one of those people who sypathized with a point) I kept thinking "go destroy yourself kid". Now I would glady take a whole show based on his character
MattHI always kind of liked Connor...I thought the flaw wasn't with the character but with the story arc.
DeathIsYourArtIt depended onthe episode with me.
DeathIsYourArtI hope Vincent knows how much he has now changed the view of Connor. Admittedly it was mostly the writers, but he took a lot of the hate mail, he should get some praise this time around
MattHHopefully....doubt it will happen though.
DeathIsYourArtya I know... depressing really
DeathIsYourArtI think I am running out of chitty chat. I think it is time to call it a night.
DeathIsYourArtHave a nice evening Harris!
MattHI was actually think the same thing. Hopefully we can get a few more people next week
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Session Close (#thesuccubusclub): Wed May 26 20:26:34 2004