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| DeathIsYourArt | Hiya Harris |
| MattH | Hiya DIYA |
| DeathIsYourArt | So what is new with you? |
| MattH | Well - major changes to the website...added a weblog. |
| MattH | Still going through Angel withdrawl |
| DeathIsYourArt | Do you have the feeling that this is going to be one really long summer? |
| MattH | Is it summer - doesn't really feel like it to me? |
| MattH | Regarding shows...not really. I generally just put them out of mind until the showstopper started recording them again. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I have to go through all the episodes for the year again, to make sure I have some good and fair options for the golden fangs and it is actually hard to watch them now... I need definate plans... Serenity is too far away , and the Buffy cartoon is Highschool years, therefore , no Spike |
| MattH | Actually, one of the things I am really looking forward to is Prisoner of Azakaban on the fourth. |
| MattH | I doubt James Marsters wll be idle for long. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Oh yes...Harry Potter is a definate |
| MattH | The cartoon could be in S2...ergo Spike |
| DeathIsYourArt | I know I know... James will find work no problem. I just want more from the Buffy-verse. i want to know whether or not Illyria made it and where she will go. And I want Joss to explain what was with all the crystals this year and who gave Angel the glamor |
| DeathIsYourArt | Wesley's passing is a hard pill to swallow... I want more Wesley story |
| MattH | Yeah...and since when is Wesley a wizard... |
| DeathIsYourArt | He is a watcher |
| MattH | Not the same.... |
| DeathIsYourArt | Therefore, he knows some magic...and he is the head of the mystical division... he picked up a few things |
| MattH | Head of the mystical division I buy... |
| DeathIsYourArt | I also want to know if Vail talked like Pavayne on purpose. They both bend reality to their own desire, so I'm assuming a parallel |
| MattH | Was it the same actor? |
| DeathIsYourArt | no no, |
| MattH | Maybe they were buds. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Vail is a shirty compared to the guy who played Pavayne |
| DeathIsYourArt | But they both refered to all minor magic as Palor tricks and the way they would talk is very similar |
| DeathIsYourArt | shorty not shirty |
| MattH | That just means they are pretentious |
| DeathIsYourArt | maybe....I like my parallels though |
| DeathIsYourArt | So what other changes will you be maing to your website? |
| DeathIsYourArt | making* |
| MattH | Heh....when I first glance at it, it looked like you wrote "maiming". |
| DeathIsYourArt | Well you could do that too |
| MattH | Upgrading the software for one thing. Wordpress 1.2 came out the day after I installed everything. |
| MattH | I plan on doing fanfic reviews among other things. |
| MattH | Plus the usual blog b.s. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Speaking of reviews... I am shocked at some of the ones I have been reading. Some people must have expected a lot going into the finale. Or they just have a really warped view of what Joss apparently "owes" them. I feel very satisfied with how this phase ended. I have a few questions and some loose threads but considering the rush, I think they did well |
| MattH | I liked the ending. I haven't really read any reviews. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I do want more from the verse because the thought of going a long time without is putting me in DT's but overall I was happy |
| MattH | It did feel rushed and the budget cuts showed. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Only in the CG |
| MattH | True...I thought the army at the end didn't look like much of an army. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I think I should write Joss. I know the Ducks are probably writing him a lot of hate mail, and he deserves to know that there were those of us that were impressed. The complainers always seem to scream the loudest |
| MattH | The Ducks? |
| DeathIsYourArt | Severe B/A shippers. They were great during the SavingAngel campaign, however there are a few of them that feel they are entitled to a certain ending and that Joss should be listening to them on how to run his show. I do wonder if some of them are watching the same show as the rest of us. What is sad is that a few have actually started in-fighting over the ending |
| DeathIsYourArt | There are a couple that were really pissed and are making their views known big time |
| MattH | Well, considering SMG couldn't be on the show...any sort of B/A (or Spuffy for that matter) would have been very difficult. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Maybe it is me, but I like the idea of a character standing strong on his own without the aide of a girlfriend or boyfriend is a good message. Besides, ANgel got to see the love of his un-life: his son |
| MattH | Connor was great in this ep. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I know! Considering that Vincent took a lot of heat for the Connor character, I am so glad they wrote him so good this year. |
| MattH | Lindsay too...personally I wish Gunn had died and Lindsay lived....but that may have been just me. |
| MattH | Shows that a lot of what goes on in shows isn't the acting...its the writing. |
| MattH | Illyria, for example, I find a lot more interesting than Fred. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Gunn will not last 10 minutes, unfortunately... And yes I was very sad to see Lindsey go. Now he can't show up in any future projects and that just hurts.... Joss just wanted to kill everyone he could |
| DeathIsYourArt | Yes Illyria was a lot better. I was getting annoyed with Freds constant exposition this year |
| MattH | Then he should have explicitly killed Gunn, Eve and Harmony. |
| DeathIsYourArt | ya but we wouldn't have cared! |
| DeathIsYourArt | I felt so bad for Eve...to lose a guy that hot |
| MattH | True...but some people would have...and it does up the body count. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I want Xander or Spike to kill Harmony... in a painful way. |
| MattH | I like Eve a lot less as an appendage of Lindsay than as a flunky of the SP. |
| MattH | Yeah...have Spike do it in passing... |
| DeathIsYourArt | totally uncaring...yes |
| DeathIsYourArt | She would be talking too much and he just wants her to shut up or something |
| MattH | Sort of like ..heh...loose end to tie up...kill Harmony..check...next job |
| DeathIsYourArt | Actually now I am picturing a fight between Buffy and Spike, or even Faith and Spike, and Harmony trying to but in. Then the slayer (whichever) staking her and saying "I thought she would never shut up" |
| MattH | I don't think it had to be like that even...just have Spike pass her on the street and stake her in passing. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I would actualyl not like to see Spikes continued disregard for Harmony. I know he doesn't think much of her but still... it doesn't fit him anymore |
| MattH | Not worth getting worked up over. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I should create a challenge and get a bunch of different fanfic writers to join. "the most creative way to kill Harmony contest" |
| MattH | Heh...I just thought of an idea...maybe she will replace Angel as the CEO of the LA branch....would be kind of funny. |
| DeathIsYourArt | ya but the SP would have to care about her and they don't |
| MattH | Well...she does have a letter of recommendation from the former CEO |
| DeathIsYourArt | ha ha ha true |
| DeathIsYourArt | Can you imagine that letter though? "great at answering the phones, fetching a cup of blood and stabbing her boss in the back" |
| MattH | Maybe Hamilton had put in a good word for her before he got bit. |
| MattH | That last part would make her a shoe-in. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I hope they get Adam Baldwin to do commentary for the DVD |
| MattH | Might be nice... overall Hamilton didn't have the mystery Eve had ... |
| MattH | Well...now that Angel is over and with only one more SC left, is this going to be the end of the chat room? I notice it is only you and I tonight. |
| DeathIsYourArt | ya I noticed that too... Impaler has not been around for a while |
| DeathIsYourArt | And LornesLadyLove has RL issues at the moment |
| MattH | He quit showing up after the last SC aired. |
| MattH | Yeah...pity...I would have liked to hear her reaction to Lorne's killing of Lindsey. |
| DeathIsYourArt | It is kinda funny considering everyone saying that they hope it didn't shut down etc... I know people have RL too (not me..shhh) but it would be nice if one of those people would show. |
| DeathIsYourArt | LLL can be found on ICQ, though i wouldn't ask her about Lorne just now |
| MattH | Hehe...be nice if Candy were to put in an appearance, now that the SC isn't on the air. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Well I got an e-mail from her today. She is busy catching up on things with her being out of town and all |
| DeathIsYourArt | If things keep up this way we might want to consider just moving this to an ICQ chat between a few of us. |
| DeathIsYourArt | We could just ICQ each other offline to set up times and such |
| DeathIsYourArt | It is something to think about |
| MattH | More people probably know how to get on ICQ than IRC. |
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| MattH | Hiya CM |
| Elais | almost forgot |
| DeathIsYourArt | The only thing I will need to do is update my ICQ. I have lite right now and it will not allow me to set an individual on invisible. And I have a bit of a problem with one person on my list |
| DeathIsYourArt | Elias HI |
| MattH | I use Trillian...I haven't actually used the ICQ client in so long, I don't know what it does anymore. |
| MattH | So CM - how are you adapting to Angel withdrawl? |
| Elais | doing okay |
| DeathIsYourArt | It probably will not hit most people until October. And the ending was satisfying, so... perhaps it will only be a dull ache for some |
| DeathIsYourArt | Like you know something is missing but you can't actually say what |
| DeathIsYourArt | Although, looking at the new fall lineups for every station , I think the thing missing in my house will be the TV all together |
| MattH | Yeah...if Enterprise isn't renewed I'll be down to about 3 hrs a week. |
| Elais | lets see...I think the only shows I'm really looking forward to in the fall is Smallville |
| Elais | however, good stuff will be coming up this summer |
| Elais | Dead Zone is back and I think there will be new Stargate and Stargate:Atlantis this summer |
| MattH | Smallville, Tru Calling, Enterprise and Stargate for me. |
| Elais | Alias doesn't start until January |
| MattH | Dead Zone? |
| Elais | tv show on USA network |
| Elais | starring Anthony Michael Hall |
| Elais | based on the Stephen King book/movie |
| MattH | Checking it out on TV Tome.... |
| DeathIsYourArt | Enterprise has been renewed (get this: UPN said it was due to the enormous fan response to the idea of its cancellation) |
| MattH | The book was good. |
| MattH | Fan response? Really? |
| Elais | Dead Zone was on early last year, but ran into legal problems |
| Elais | but they are sticking Enterprise on Friday nights |
| MattH | I am a die-hard original series Trekker, and I am lukewarm on Enterprise. |
| MattH | Oh...so it will be cancelled. |
| DeathIsYourArt | they promised them at least half a season but told them to start wrapping things up |
| Elais | haven't watched a single ep of Enterprise |
| Elais | stopped watching during the Voyager run |
| DeathIsYourArt | I watch if there is nothing else on |
| MattH | This last season has been ok.. |
| MattH | It is better than Voyager |
| Elais | I've been watching some of the old DS9 eps though |
| DeathIsYourArt | And I can't pick a movie |
| MattH | Although that is saying little. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'll have West Wing and CSI next fall...and I am still trying to decide whether or nto they have both jumped the shark |
| Elais | with West Wing they might have voted the shark |
| Elais | CSI would kill the shark and do an autopsy |
| MattH | I'm burnt out on crime shows |
| DeathIsYourArt | Who wouldn't be at this point? |
| DeathIsYourArt | NBC has turned down Transylvannia. So Fury is out of a job again |
| MattH | I hadn't even heard of that show. |
| Elais | never even knew he had one |
| Elais | I thought Fury said he was taking time off |
| DeathIsYourArt | They were going to take the sets from Van Helsing and create a show in the same world, btu with different characters. They brought in David Fury when the original producer started having weird ideas for where to take it |
| Elais | Lost In Space is kaput |
| MattH | Good |
| DeathIsYourArt | Now they say the show will cost too much |
| Elais | oh, right.... |
| Elais | always the bottom dollar with these guys |
| DeathIsYourArt | yep! |
| DeathIsYourArt | But at least we will be getting Wonderfalls on DVD |
| MattH | Heh...I *still* haven't watched the two eps I dled |
| DeathIsYourArt | which two? The ones labeled 6 & 7 which are actually 7&8 |
| MattH | Yup |
| Elais | doesn't take long for unaired eps to circulate doesn't it? |
| DeathIsYourArt | They were screeners |
| DeathIsYourArt | sent out for censors and tv guide etc |
| Elais | media press kit, I though |
| DeathIsYourArt | could be that too |
| DeathIsYourArt | I am Jaye in the last one. I want to deny it but I can't |
| MattH | Well...I did the trailer thing a couple of times while growing up...but I can't really empathize too much with her. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Well, not the trailer thing but the relationship phobia thing in the last one (you will see what I mean when you watch it) that is me. Mixed messages and defensive-ness. |
| DeathIsYourArt | And though I have enjoyed (with varying degrees) the episodes that I have seen. I still say that it couldnt' have gone far beyond a first season. |
| Elais | I saw the aired eps and have read some of the scripts to the unaired stuff |
| MattH | It suffers from the same problem as Tru Calling...its vision of the supernatural is too narrow. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I just meant the last one on the next (number 7 /8) I haven't read the other scripts yet |
| DeathIsYourArt | I just don't think they had very many places to take Jaye. |
| Elais | 20th century fox is doing an auction again |
| Elais | like they did with buffy |
| Elais | they are auctioning off stuff from the angel sets |
| DeathIsYourArt | They already spelled out who the love interest was, and to make her a non-slacker would defeat the purpose of her character. So they would have to leave her where she is, with no where to go |
| DeathIsYourArt | What are they auctioning off now? |
| MattH | I just keep comparing shows like that to Buffy....and they all fall short.... |
| Elais | clothes mostly |
| Elais | it's on ebay |
| DeathIsYourArt | I know. I was complaining about plot arc's the other day to my dad. He will nto let me watch anythign with him anymore. I find all the shows too predictable and shallow |
| Elais | one of Fred's labcoats is going for $100 right now |
| DeathIsYourArt | Do you have a link to the auction? |
| MattH | Hmmm...that is not too high for a lab coat, IIRC...although it has been over a decade since I last wore one. |
| Elais | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4014634492#ebayphotohosting |
| Elais | thats for the lab coat |
| DeathIsYourArt | my god are they ever making serious money on some of these things |
| MattH | Hmmm...I just checked google. That is about $80 more than one would pay for a regular lab coat. |
| DeathIsYourArt | And really none of it is worth it. You wouldn't even know that they were props if it were not for a tag fromt he fox wardrobe department |
| MattH | Yeah....just buy the $20 coat and lie about it. |
| Elais | the items do come with a certificate of authenticity |
| MattH | Hmmm....get one of the cheap items,a little photoshop....a voila....tons of Angel merchandise. |
| DeathIsYourArt | But why would you want a shirt someone wore once. I could understand an actual prop, but not a shirt |
| DeathIsYourArt | I want the cup of perpetual torment |
| MattH | I thought of the ray gun they used on Illyria |
| MattH | The cup would be excellent |
| Elais | that cup might fetch a pretty high price |
| Elais | a gal paid over $7,000 for that amulet |
| DeathIsYourArt | And the book Serc was reading that had the false prophecy in it. I am big on books |
| MattH | Yeah...boggles the mind. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Ya the amulet money went to charity which was nice |
| DeathIsYourArt | I would want the amulet |
| DeathIsYourArt | I wonder who gets the purple puppet suit? I know Fox took puppet Angel |
| DeathIsYourArt | The purple puppet suit is at ME |
| MattH | Puppet Angel would be interesting. |
| DeathIsYourArt | It would also be nice to get the sword from Angels wall that Cordy used in your Welcome |
| Elais | Spike/JM has some very wealthy fans |
| DeathIsYourArt | Yes I noticed that too |
| MattH | Swords are always nice...axes and knives too. For that matter, I wouldn't mind a crossbow. |
| DeathIsYourArt | And some poor ones like me |
| * MattH channels his inner D&D player. |
| DeathIsYourArt | ya weapons are always a great buy |
| MattH | Just checked my e-mail... Television Without Pity has just done their last Angel recap... http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi?show=10 |
| DeathIsYourArt | positive or negative. I have had my fill of negative for one week |
| DeathIsYourArt | ? |
| MattH | Haven't read it yet... they are always snarky, even to shows they like. |
| Elais | the recap is done by Strega |
| Elais | she has hated Angel for a long time now |
| Elais | but the recap is pretty mild for her |
| Elais | she has a particular hatred of Wesley |
| MattH | Yah...Omar G is much kinder to Smallville. |
| Elais | I do think that the recappers get burned out on the shows they do |
| MattH | Wouldn't surprise me...especially since they may not have been fans to begin with. |
| MattH | Was just reading the review...Strega did bring up a point. When Angel is talking to Lindsey in the last episode, do you think that was when he decided to have Lindsey killed. |
| DeathIsYourArt | maybe before that... And why did he know that Harmony would turn? The "you don't havea soul" thing wasn't really enough for me but I went with it |
| MattH | Strega opines that Angel's body language shows that he was paying close attention to why Lindsey was joining the fight... thinking maybe he didn't have to die. I'll have to rewatch it to decide myself. |
| Elais | Harmony betrayed the gang before |
| Elais | I think he knew Harmony would turn on them when Hamilton arrived |
| Elais | remeber way back in Disharmony? |
| MattH | He knew Harmony would turn on him after Disharmony. |
| DeathIsYourArt | ya know, I remember disharmony. However it just didn't seem a guarantee to me. Up until this epy, she was far too afraid of Hamilton |
| DeathIsYourArt | Harris, we really should hold that fan fic contest for the best Harmony kill |
| MattH | Just reading Strega's recap...it makes me thing that Spike had the funniest lines/scenes in the finale. |
| MattH | We? |
| MattH | I generally don't read Harmony fics.... |
| DeathIsYourArt | okay fine...ME |
| DeathIsYourArt | I just want a good ugly death for her |
| MattH | I settle for any death, provided it is final and dusty. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I want one that people stop and think "OUCH" |
| DeathIsYourArt | And Spike's demand that he not have to wear any jewelry was a really funny touch |
| MattH | The way Spike's hand shot up when Angel said someone was going to betray him |
| MattH | And "Can I at least deny you 3 times?" |
| DeathIsYourArt | More bible quotes |
| MattH | Yeah...well this is supposed to be the Apocalypse. |
| DeathIsYourArt | true, but they have pushed the theme before. The Judas comment in Origin etc... |
| MattH | Yeah...the Buffyverse had a lot of biblical themes. |
| MattH | Damn...used the past tense there.... |
| DeathIsYourArt | It is okay... |
| DeathIsYourArt | You are working through the acceptance phase |
| DeathIsYourArt | You will get to throw all your hard work away once Joss gets off his butt and gives us more |
| MattH | Just reminded me of earlier S3 Buffy...Willow brings up the "past-tense" rule. |
| DeathIsYourArt | You are just dealing. It is all good. It will save you pain in the long run |
| DeathIsYourArt | Maybe if we shower Joss with homemade gifts??? |
| MattH | Couldn't hurt.... |
| MattH | What about threats? |
| Elais | there is hope for the Buffy animated show |
| DeathIsYourArt | Okay! What should we make him? |
| DeathIsYourArt | We could do a good fan bad fan routine |
| DeathIsYourArt | Good fan gives gifts, bad fan puts more of a threat on at the end |
| DeathIsYourArt | I am looking forward to the animated show. However it will be light on deth most likely and big on family friendly humor |
| DeathIsYourArt | depth* |
| MattH | Yeah...but I am a little leary. One of the reason I wanted to see Angel continue is to see what happens *next*. Buffy The Animated Series would be set in the past. |
| MattH | Instead of "good fan, bad fan" how about "crazy, pychotic fanatic fan"? ;-) |
| MattH | I get to be "crazy, pychotic fanatic fan" |
| DeathIsYourArt | okay! And remember "A restraining order is just another way for joss to tell you he loves you" |
| Elais | gotta run guys |
| DeathIsYourArt | bye bye Elias |
| MattH | Seeya CM. |
| Elais | chat with you guys later |
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| DeathIsYourArt | The one thing I don't want is the battled spelled out for me. I would rather see one of the survivors a while after the fight and perhaps in passing mention - to whomever asks- who made it through. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Like how they had Andrew mention where the scubbies are |
| MattH | That'd be good. Maybe mention how Spike killed the dragon. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I think they purposely will give that to Angel. He said he wanted it, and it is the whole old school hero shout out |
| DeathIsYourArt | Spike can take out that big troll like demon in the back |
| DeathIsYourArt | Why do you want the dragon to be taken out by Spike? |
| MattH | 'Cause Angel said he wanted it...so it would be funny if Spike got to kill it. |
| DeathIsYourArt | true |
| DeathIsYourArt | Maybe Illyria could make it into a pet |
| DeathIsYourArt | That would be a show right there |
| DeathIsYourArt | Illyria and her Dragon |
| MattH | Hmmm....after "The Gift" I had the funny thought that the dragon there my become Dawn's pet. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Well since MT doesn't want to be Dawn ever again, that isn't likely. However, it would have been interesting |
| DeathIsYourArt | What would you feed it? |
| MattH | Well, a demon biker gang came to town... that would have done for starters. |
| MattH | Don't blame MT....they way they kept dropping potential storylines for Dawn. |
| MattH | She might feel different if Dawn was the lead. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I just had an image of Anya's legs sticking out of the Dragons mouth and Dawn telling it to drop her |
| DeathIsYourArt | The trio would have worshipped Dawn if she had a pet dragon |
| MattH | Probably. |
| DeathIsYourArt | The problem with Dawn was that a lot of people still saw her as Buffy's little sister only. TO give her grown up storylines would have been icky to some. Plus, they ran out of time and space |
| MattH | The potentials sucked away a lot of Dawn's potential storylines.... |
| MattH | Part of growing up is getting grown-up storylines...people would have adapted. |
| DeathIsYourArt | They were necessary though. And if they gave Dawn more time, the they would have had to sacrifice the "slayer" story, which would mean the Buffy story. And she is suppose to be the focus |
| DeathIsYourArt | oh well...shoulda woulda coulda... what is done is done |
| DeathIsYourArt | Need more Whedon-verse |
| MattH | Please...they could easily have dumped Anya ... she should have left after her final confrontation with D'Hoffryn. |
| DeathIsYourArt | perhaps... |
| MattH | Can't deny -- more Joss tales...in the Buffyverse if possible. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I want more Andrew. And they could definately make a Connor show now |
| MattH | A Connor show would be good....I definitely feel that "The Destroyer" never did get to do enough destroyin' |
| DeathIsYourArt | It is amazing how views of Connor have changed. last year ( though I was actually one of those people who sypathized with him...to a point) I kept thinking "go destroy yourself kid". Now I would glady take a whole show based on his character |
| MattH | I always kind of liked Connor...I thought the flaw wasn't with the character but with the story arc. |
| DeathIsYourArt | It depended onthe episode with me. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I hope Vincent knows how much he has now changed the view of Connor. Admittedly it was mostly the writers, but he took a lot of the hate mail, he should get some praise this time around |
| MattH | Hopefully....doubt it will happen though. |
| DeathIsYourArt | ya I know... depressing really |
| DeathIsYourArt | I think I am running out of chitty chat. I think it is time to call it a night. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Have a nice evening Harris! |
| MattH | I was actually think the same thing. Hopefully we can get a few more people next week |
| MattH | CYA |
| DeathIsYourArt | bye |
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| Session Close (#thesuccubusclub): Wed May 26 20:26:34 2004 |